Annika Sorenstam

[pookie]

Annika Sorenstam has accepted an invitation to play in the Colonial PGA event in Fort Worth in May.

I'm sure you've all heard about this, but I wanted to know what everybody thinks.

Personally, I think it's great. Nobody can touch her on the LPGA, so why shouldn't she play where the competition will be closer to her level? It's definitely going to be challenging for her for a number of reasons. The first being the sheer pressure and the media frenzy she's about to face....like none other she's seen before. Second, is the golf itself. She has to hit from the same tees as the men do, there's no exemptions at all, so it'll be fun to see how she stacks up with the long hitters of the PGA.

If she plays well, I think it could give the LPGA a great shot in the arm that it could surely use right now. If she doesn't play well enough to even make the cut, then, in my opinion, no harm done.

I believe that Annika Sorenstam is a pioneer and a role model and I wish her luck. I wouldn't say the same for Martha Burk(again, just my opinion).

Originally posted by pookie
Annika Sorenstam has accepted an invitation to play in the Colonial PGA event in Fort Worth in May. I'm sure you've all heard about this, but I wanted to know what everybody thinks...I believe that Annika Sorenstam is a pioneer and a role model and I wish her luck.

Wow, Pook, I'm impressed. You didn't include even one answer such as "I'd do her." Very big of you. She even has her own postage stamp back in Annikaville, Sverige, wherever that is. Sweden I think. I am glad to see she is getting a shot to play with the men and personally I hope she does well.

So as long as you are taking the high and noble road, it really frees me up to be a pig. The men's tee is really going to be the challenge. Good thing we thought of that or there would be women all OVER the tour. After all we readily admit that women are smarter than we are -- all we can really do is cheat better. I'm assuming all of the GOOD photos will be on the girlie thread? And just for the record, I would. :D

[Ottawapatty]

Hey,

I voted for her to Miss the cut narrowly! Now I think women can play sports! However, I think the media will get to her, but I will watch to see!

Also, I think she would have been great maybe Five years ago or maybe a bit more! Her short game is as good as anyones on the tour! However, with the onset of Mr. Woods I think the power has a bigger role than ever! She can hold her own though! I wouldn't deny her a top 10 finish if she were to play five or six tournaments to let the hype die down! Now if it were Lori Kane playing . . . that would be a different story! She'd send Tiger in to an early retirement!!!! LOL


Matt

[Hawg73]

Sorenstam will be hitting from the men's tees.

This is an interesting thing. I personally would love to see her win the tournament and turn the enitre men's tour on their collective ears. I enjoy playing golf and have an appreciation for the game but these PGA types tend to be whiny jerks and I love to root for the europeans against them. There are some great people out there but you can have most of them.

The degree of jealousy these people have for anyone that threatens their cushy existence is off the skid charts.

You could make the case that since she didn't "earn" her way into the tournament, instead getting in because the Memorial's sponsor (some bank) insisted that she be there, that it is bad for women's golf, but I disagree.

If she beats anybody hitting from the men's tees they will probably take a ton of crap from their fellow pros and word is she is totally capable of doing so. Many are saying she will surive the Friday cut and if she does I will probably watch Saturday and root like hell for her. Anything that gets under the Men's skin is something that I tend to enjoy and she will be at a decided disadvantage due to her inability to drive the ball anywhere near the distance the men do. She averages 265 from the tee and many of the men will average about 50 yards farther. She will have a tough time hitting 5 irons into greens where they can use a pitching wedge and spin the ball.

This could be one of the great sports stories of the year if she does well. I just hope she plays her game and doesn't get fazed by all the attention and if so will put tremendous pressure on the males to avoid getting "beat by a girl".

You go girl.

[Ottawapatty]

Originally posted by Hawg73
Sorenstam will be hitting from the men's tees.

If she beats anybody hitting from the men's tees they will probably take a ton of crap from their fellow pros and word is she is totally capable of doing so.

This could be one of the great sports stories of the year if she does well. I just hope she plays her game and doesn't get fazed by all the attention and if so will put tremendous pressure on the males to avoid getting "beat by a girl".

You go girl.

Hey,

First of all I will get the obligitory male thing out of the way, she looks very good for someone wearing a sweater vest eh!, don't worry I am not sexist I said the same thing about Tiger once!

OK I don't think she will win! Not because she is a chick, but because she is playing against some of the best golfers in the world!!!! Nobody can beat Tiger (I personally HATE the whiny moron) but he is untouchable!!! Even if Tiger gets hit by a semi though Duval and Mickleson are just unreal!!!

I think her score will be respectible, but people looking to her to be the next Billie Jean King are barking up the wrong tree!

However, here is my prediction for her! At random I chose last 2001's US Open to compare. Now with her hitting off of the Men's Tees that should hinder her score a little. Now not as much as you would think because a stroke is a stroke is a stroke! I 400 yard drives is the same as a two-foot putt when it is all said and done! She has amazing iron skills!!! So instead of hitting a 7 iron into the green on a Par 4 second shot she may grab a 5 iron! She'll still knock it close! However, combine the need for 15 (three par threes) great iron shots a day times four days (hopefully) then I will tack on 8 extra strokes! I will add on four more misses because of the pressure and media presence and subtract two because of adrenaline! So we will add 10 shots to her score!!

So,

Women's US Tour last year

Annika Sorenstam (Swe) 70-69-69-70 278

add ten and she would have placed in a tie for 12th with

Men's US Open

12 Justin Leonard +6 F +8 73 71 68 76 288
12 Robert Allenby +7 F +8 74 70 67 77 288
12 Dudley Hart +3 F +8 69 76 70 73 288
12 Jay Haas +3 F +8 69 76 70 73 288

OK


Now if she maintain's the same score she will contend for the title!

1 Tiger Woods +2 F -3 67 68 70 72 277
2 Phil Mickelson E F E 70 73 67 70 280


I think it COULD happen, but it won't! I predict a respectible finish in 13th or 14th place most likley, very possible top 10 finish!


Now for Miss Haley! I was really proud of her! I watched the games and she performed well and didn't stand out! I think it was the best possible thing! If she were to have stood out people would be like they just let her cause they were scared to hit her and if she would have done poorly it would be years again until another lady tried!

I wish her the best of luck! The timing is right! The game isn't rough at all anymore so that isn't an excuse! The women's game is faster (IMO) and that may hurt he as now she must contend w/ the trap and that doesn't really suit her style!

All in all though I think she is a great ambassador for the game! She is one of the FEW (men or women) players who player clean, hard and with grit (a la Mr. Thorton, Adam Graves, Ryan Smyth) and I wish her the best of luck! I'll be watching!

However, if I could talk to her I would tell her to stay as FAR away from Phil Espisito as possible! That little troll (although I admire his career) is trouble! He turned Manon into a sideshow and killed her career and he'll do the same to Haley if given the chance!! IMO Manon would be a back-up goalie in the NHL today if Good Ole Philly hadn't wanted to put butts in the Lightening seats for one nite! Imagine having your chance to fullfill a dream, change the face of sports and the world RUINED for what!?!?! A measly $30,000 or so! Dear GOD, I will never forgive him! If she were developed like ANY other male player she would have become a solid back-up playing 7-15 games a year and holding similar numbers. Now I say at best a back-up NOT because she was a lady, but because she wasn't THAT good!

Anyways,

I am rambling,

Peace,

Matt

[pookie]

Touche'... Check out this article.

Is turnabout fair play in sports?? (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1511394)

Originally posted by pookie
Touche'... Check out this article.

Is turnabout fair play in sports?? (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1511394)



I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it?


"...the USGA -- which runs the U.S. Women's Open -- requires any entrant be a female professional or female amateur with a USGA handicap index not exceeding 4.4."

We'll see about that!

You have got to love a guy who keeps breaking down these long-standing cultural gender barriers. My hat goes off to his pioneering spirit. I am all for seeing men on the women's tour! Just another example of the Woman keeping us down. Now if we can only get male reporters into the women's locker room... :D

[pookie]

Originally posted by NoRespect
I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it?


"...the USGA -- which runs the U.S. Women's Open -- requires any entrant be a female professional or female amateur with a USGA handicap index not exceeding 4.4."

We'll see about that!

You have got to love a guy who keeps breaking down these long-standing cultural gender barriers. My hat goes off to his pioneering spirit. I am all for seeing men on the women's tour! Just another example of the Woman keeping us down. Now if we can only get male reporters into the women's locker room... :D

Well, NR, you said what I was a little hesitant to post for fear of Alice hunting me down like a dog and kicking my ass (she knows where I live)!! Now all we need is for Charlton Heston and Mike Tyson to join Martha Burke's funtime group.

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Actually, I'm all for it. And I think he's a brave, brave man.

I mean, think about it....

What are this poor guy's chances for having to hear that he got beat by a girl?

Pretty high, I'd bet.

On a similar note, I once played in softball league in which one of the teams had quite the ringer -- a post-op transsexual playing shortstop. There was a brief broohahaha about the whole thing, wondering whether the league should be left for women born as women. But in the end, we decided that it was much more important to be supportive.

Not only did she have absolutely fabulous bone structure, but she was outstanding at the plate and had a great glove.

I miss those days of weirdness. Life is so much more staid now.

You are one funny mofo there Alice. I like reading your ramblings when you pull yourself from the evil politics thread. I have vowed to never step mouse in a political thread again.... in my own best interest of course.

BUT....This guy who wants to play in the women's open is no slouch. He's won a small handful of pro events in Canada and I betcha he'd end up winning by 10-12 strokes. Too bad we'll never see that come to fruition 'cuz they're not going to let him play.

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Yeah, well, Pookie, someone has to be the loyal opposition on the politics thread. As I've said, it's not for the faint of heart. But really...the right wing testosterone on this board ought to be challenged. You guys would get complacent without a card carrying member of the ACLU to attack now and again.

Here's my take. I have three competing feelings about this:

1. On a certain level I think it's too bad they're not letting this guy play against the women. Fair is fair. As far as the guy goes, I'm not convinced he would destroy the top women, but I don't really know much about golf. Occasionally I go to a driving range. If there's nothing else on, sometimes I'll watch a tour event. So I have nothing to argue here. Just a gut feeling.

2. On a certain level, I would prefer that great women athletes simply focus on developing women's sports leagues. But my guess is that Sorenstam's entry into this event is being pushed by both pro leagues and the media as a big PR event. It's good for both leagues. Entertaining. Gets some interest going for the LPGA from male viewers.

3. Another part of me sees these two situations as subtly dissimilar. And it makes me respect Sorenstam more and this Canadian male pro a little less.

Here's my take...it's one thing for a great woman athlete to aspire to play with the boys -- if for no other reason than that great competitors ALWAYS want to play against better competition -- as a benchmark for their progress and for the chance to improve their game.

I may be a feminist, but I'm not blind. Men are bigger, stronger, greater athletes by far. And those few great women athletes who are able and willing to compete against them with any degree of success are testing themselves against the best competition. The likelihood is that they're not going to "WIN" (in the conventional sense). But they do win from the standpoint of making themselves greater players. In that sense, I see them as role models for young women.

Conversely, a man with greater strength and athletic ability who is trying to get into the women's game is doing so either 1) to make a political statement (which I understand to a degree but find silly) and/or 2) To gain notoriety and a win that he otherwise would not get playing against men.

There's something bush-league about that. By point of comparison, to me it's like a really good amateur hockey player who should be playing in top amateur leagues who instead plays down a division or two in order to dominate on the ice. There's something about that, that I just don't respect. (Some players play down just because they don't want to take the game so seriously and they don't want to make the commitment that playing at a high level requires. That's cool. But when somebody plays down in order to win...that not cool.)

I agree with you nearly 100%. I do believe that this guy is trying to make a point, more so than a political statement. We've got the women's groups that will be vehemently protesting the Masters now (they're taking out demonstration permits for Chrissakes) and have purposely given a black eye to Augusta, it's members, and the Masters as an event. Should ladies be allowed to be members of the Augusta club? No, not if it's a men's club. Just like this knucklehead who's trying to play an LPGA event. He shouldn't be allowed. Nor should he be allowed to be a member of NOW or the WNBA....it's ladies only. This is almost getting political, but there is just wayyyyy too much politically correctness going on nowadays....don't get me wrong either, I'm certainly not THAT old school. But if Augusta were to let Martha Burke's cronies join, within a month they'd be throwing a petition aroung to ban cussing in the club house. Sorry if I sound sexist, but I just think that guys AND gals should have some place to go hang with just the guys or gals. No sexism, it's just natural. If I'm wrong, then NR's comment in jest should be taken seriously..... Male reporters should be allowed into female locker rooms. Just ask Mowatt's Penis, he'll tell ya!!

[Hawg73]

I'm bumping this thread because Annika's time has now arrived.

On the one hand she is just a professional golfer just trying to pursue being the best she can be and claims to be shocked at the amount of attention she is getting for competing against
the members of the Men's PGA. She is getting the red carpet treatment from the press - a plucky female version of David standing up to the evil male Goliath.

On the other, she is an interloper who is riding a non-merit based
exemption into a tournament that she has no chance of winning, she is only there to help sponsors attract publicity and (largely
women) TV viewers so that they can make some fat stacks of cash at the expense of the institution that the male PGA members have built.

It seems that there are widely polarized opinions about this matter and where there is controversy there will somebody to fan it into flames. Like me.

A few words are necessary to descibe the men's PGA. As a group it would be hard to find a more uptight group of people. The competition is fierce and nerves are stretched to the breaking
point. Many of these guys are cranky and opinionated, wear cute matching outfits and they don't want anybody killling the goose that laid the golden egg.

I love the game of golf but can barely tolerate most PGA tour pros. The have, perhaps unjustly, become a symbol for a dying way of life. The white, european patriarchal society that once controlled much of the world including the permitted roles for women and minorities. Is society and the media targeting this organization because of the symbolic value?

Do these guys have the right to decide who enters their tournaments?

Should Sorenstam feel guilty about the way she got it in?

Should the PGA pros snub or welcome her?

Does this open Pandora's box - what precedent will this set for the future?

Should boys and girls play sports together?

What ever happened to the days when men were men and women were glad of it?

[Hawg73]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Oh my god. I'm speechless. And I'm running for the hills before Freak finds this post.

Ohhhh, sure you are. Speechless? Why? Please explain.

I didn't say that I LIKED it but I think it's a fair assessment of the situation. At least in the western hemisphere. Maybe I should add a disclaimer.

Which brings to mind the story of Barbara Walters who did a piece on the role of women in Afghanistan some years back and was appalled that women walked several paces behind their men.

She recently returned to do a follow up and was amazed to find that the men were now walking several paces behind their women. Stunned at this unexpected development Walters asked an Afghani woman why the turnaround.

The woman replied: "Landmines."

[pookie]

Originally posted by Hawg73
I'm bumping this thread because Annika's time has now arrived.


Do these guys have the right to decide who enters their tournaments?

Should Sorenstam feel guilty about the way she got it in?

Should the PGA pros snub or welcome her?

Does this open Pandora's box - what precedent will this set for the future?



Well, she was +1 halfway through her practice round today when bad weather moved in. That won't come close to cutting it at a tourney in which low scores abound. She won't make the cut with that type of score, I'm afraid. But you never know, it has rained A LOT here the last 48 hours. Then again, rain softened fairways and greens often lead to even lower scores as the pro's can really stick their shots in there, firing at the pin more aggressively.

The circus atmosphere around the Dallas/FWorth area makes me chuckle to think that all this hilarity is about golf. Two words come to mind......... Happy - Gilmore.

Originally posted by Hawg73
...On the other, she is an interloper who is riding a non-merit based exemption into a tournament that she has no chance of winning, she is only there to help sponsors attract publicity and (largely women) TV viewers so that they can make some fat stacks of cash at the expense of the institution that the male PGA members have built.

I love the game of golf but can barely tolerate most PGA tour pros. The have, perhaps unjustly, become a symbol for a dying way of life. The white, european patriarchal society that once controlled much of the world including the permitted roles for women and minorities.

Is society and the media targeting this organization because of the symbolic value?

Should Sorenstam feel guilty about the way she got it in?

Does this open Pandora's box - what precedent will this set for the future?

Sorenstam may have gotten in on an exemption (I'm not sure the specifics to be honest...) but she wouldn't be the only one. Apparently one of the eight players eligible to be in her threesome (I was hoping to be one of them until I found out that was a golfing term...) was a 60-year-old former tournament winner who has been getting in on an exemption for 29 years. (Here's the article (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1556932)from ESPN.) If every previous winner comes back for the rest of their lives it might as well be the Senior Tour.

Anything that can breathe a little life into the stodgy world of men's golf would be welcome and refreshing. Most of the women on the women's tour aren't half as good as Sorenstam and couldn't compete on the men's tour so I don't really see the big deal. It isn't as if dozens of women will be wearing the green jacket anytime soon and forcing them to put tampon dispensers in the old-boys room. Annika is probably the only one who can pull off simply making the cut -- and then only on the shorter courses. Then again, many MEN can't compete on the men's tour either, including many of the ones playing in this tournament. (Check out the resumes of Annika's pairing in the article above. Hers is more respectable.) There is a large group of players who routinely miss as many cuts as they make and rarely if ever finish in the money. If merit is really the concern it can easily be answered -- in fact can only be answered -- by letting her play. The real issue isn't merit, it is fear. Taking the job of some deserving MAN, oh please. I thought playing the victim was a role traditionally reserved for women so aren't they guilty as well?

Annika provides an interesting diversion from the Tiger Woods show. He gets as much or more coverage when he's losing than the actual leaders. Speaking of precedents, Woods wouldn't have played in the men's tour in 1960 because the tour was "white only" until 1961. Neither would Singh. Critics of Annika who suggest this is a ploy to recruit endorsement money need look no further than the NIKE swoosh. Professional sports is just that, and anyone who suggests it shouldn't be about money is either naive or hypocritical. If it is a ploy, it certainly isn't some LPGA conspiracy but a far more commonplace desire to earn a living, something hard to do on the women's tour.

I hope Annika blows some of the dust off the PGA's image. The potential embarrassment for guys like Singh is delicious.

This is a great graphic. It compares Annika's stats relative to men on the PGA tour. That first one is impressive.

1st (PGA) -- Percentage of Greens in regulation (accuracy)
177th (PGA) -- Number of puts per round
7th (PGA) -- Percent of drives in fairway (accuracy)
162th (PGA) -- Driving distance.


http://www.jsonline.com/graphics/sports/gen/img/may03/ANNIKA22G.jpg

Read the full article here (http://www.jsonline.com/golfplus/may03/142456.asp).

[pookie]

Originally posted by NoRespect
[B]This is a great graphic. It compares Annika's stats relative to men on the PGA tour.

Man, that is a VERY cool graphic.

**sigh** I only wish I could hit 75% of my fairways, averaging 275 yds per drive. My graphic is slightly different. I average a little over 75yds per drive and hit 27.5 of the fairways...;) Well... maybe a little bit better than that.

Originally posted by pookie
Man, that is a VERY cool graphic.

**sigh** I only wish I could hit 75% of my fairways, averaging 275 yds per drive. My graphic is slightly different. I average a little over 75yds per drive and hit 27.5 of the fairways...;) Well... maybe a little bit better than that.


I hear you pook. I hit a lot of fairways, but they are not always the fairways of the holes I'm playing.


Colonial Update:

Not to jinx her, but...

Annika is on the second page of the Leader Board at -1. She is currently 11th overall. She just missed an "easy" birdie for a chance at -2. She looks confident and surprisingly relaxed.

ESPN coverage (http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/story?id=1557324).

[pookie]

Just for the fun of it..... Don't hate me.

Originally posted by pookie
Just for the fun of it..... Don't hate me.

That's pretty funny. However, Annika has a cute butt, and I don't say that about the men. I think women could be good for the tour, but we need to choose carefully from the LPGA. This just in, the PGA has just banned mullets.


Annika finished +1 for the day, and she looked pretty awesome off the tee, and she got a great reception from the crowd. Her only real problems came on the green. She is ahead of the curve at this point having finished ahead of one of her pairing, and tied with the other. There should be a lot less pressure on her tomorrow. One guy yelled out after she teed-off, "You da' woman!" I loved it.

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by Hawg73
You go, girl!

That noise...did you just hear that?....What was that strange sound?

Originally posted by Hawg73
.... The white, european patriarchal society that once controlled much of the world including the permitted roles for women and minorities

There...I just heard it again...could it be...yes, I'm sure it was...the sound of my Uncle Bud rolling over in his grave!

[dropKickMurphy]

Originally posted by NoRespect
That's pretty funny. However, Annika has a cute butt, and I don't say that about the men. I think women could be good for the tour, but we need to choose carefully from the LPGA. This just in, the PGA has just banned mullets.

Following Brett Hull's attempt to qualify for the US Open, the PGA was concerned about a potential mass influx of NHL players into the PGA. The mullet ban was implemented in order to prevent this.
Annika may indeed have a cute butt, but I personally can no longer bring myself to gaze at the gluteal region of a world class female athlete. Years of therapy have failed to purge the image of Uta Pippig from my psyche.

[Hawg73]

Originally posted by dropKickMurphy
Years of therapy have failed to purge the image of Uta Pippig from my psyche.

"Imagine our surprise when a few moments later she emerged from the closet and undaunted continued on with the show. The best one-liner was DropKick's "She's the Uta Pipping of stripping!" (Boston marathon reference). A real trooper that one."
-quote from the vomit thread


Yeah. Uh-huh and thanks for mentioning my dead dad, pineapple boy.

[Hawg73]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Silly old Hawg...

Explanation of my comments: I was absolutely dumbfounded at how left-wing your position was. I was expecting a flame war to ensue. But I forget that you can get away with comments like that whereas I can't.

I think you have confused me with some knuckle dragging barbarian somewhere. I spent about 15 years in non-traditional male jobs before I got in a cushy situation and have experienced reverse discrimination in both the sexual and racial sense.

I've been there and lived to tell the tale. A sexist pig I'm not. A right winger? probably, but not in the Rush Limbaugh sense.

Also, it is so slow this time of the season that even if NEM jumped on here accusing Bush of banging the Dixie Chicks - nobody would bat an eyelash.

[Hawg73]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
But, darlin, use of the word "Patriarchial" or any variant of same in what may be interpreted in a pejorative way, counts as waaaaay left, feminist, smack-talk, babeeee.

Ohhhh, what do you creepy girls know anyways?

Originally posted by dropKickMurphy
Following Brett Hull's attempt to qualify for the US Open, the PGA was concerned about a potential mass influx of NHL players into the PGA. The mullet ban was implemented in order to prevent this.

Annika may indeed have a cute butt, but I personally can no longer bring myself to gaze at the gluteal region of a world class female athlete. Years of therapy have failed to purge the image of Uta Pippig from my psyche.


Ah, the problem is your choice of sport. Marathoner butt is known to be rather bony and emaciated. I prefer the well developed and defined hiney of downhill racers, soccer players, swimmers, and tennis players. A general rule of thumb is that the sport needs to be physically demanding but not so demanding that the athletes have no opportunity to eat.

Surely you have seen the female mullet? You can find them at most Indigo Girls concerts. I'm sure you can find one here: www.mulletsgalore.com. Be sure to check out the Frolet.

Originally posted by FallingAlice
But, darlin, use of the word "Patriarchial" or any variant of same in what may be interpreted in a pejorative way, counts as waaaaay left, feminist, smack-talk, babeeee.

Hmmm. I'm afraid she's right on that one Hawg. That's okay, don't feel bad. You are just getting in touch with your feminist side....

[Hawg73]

Yeah NR, bring it on.

That all you got for me? huh? huh?

Hey, I'm a post 90's guy. I can bring home the bacon. fry it up in a pan.

I will gladly fall on my sword and have everybody accusing me of being a feminist fruitcake if it will just liven this place up a little.

If there is one topic of endless fascination to me besides the Patriots it is the enternal question of men vs. women. I could spend the rest of my life thinking and breathing that particular subject and not even scratch the surface.

I didn't know using the word patriarchal (am I spelling it right? I think so) put me in line next to Gloria Steinem, Hilary Rodham Clinton and Judge Maria Lopez. :eek:

Hey, I've played mixed couples games of Taboo so I know they are smarter than us.

Ahhh, you feminists are all alike, always ready to throw down at the slightest hint of disagreement. ;)


Originally posted by Hawg73
Hey, I'm a post 90's guy. I can bring home the bacon. fry it up in a pan

How does that little ditty end again?

The memory is fine thanks. :D

I too am a post-90s kind of guy. (What do you call the decade we are in anyway? The 00's?) Women's sports have come a long way in a short time and I really enjoy watching them compete. It is refreshingly simple and direct, women have a way of keeping it about the competition at hand. Who would have thought a little girl from Stockholm could have stirred up this much controversy? I have to hand it to her. She really impressed me with how she handled herself today. That was a ton of pressure and she never seemed to blink. I truly hopes she does well.

Originally posted by FallingAlice
BEEEotchhhh!!!

Huneeee Chil'!! Using the word "Patriarchal" doesn't put you in line next to Steinem, Clinton and Lopez. Those women have careers, power-alliances, sponsorship and donor money to consider.

It puts you smack dab at the the dinner table eatin' grits with Andrea Dworkin, Holly Near, numerous eco-feminist wiccan tribes engaged in subsistence farming along the North Shore, and that nutty religion professor from Boston College whose name I can never remember. What is her name?? What is her name??

:banghead:

On a related note, I think that Dworkin sports a mullet.

Now would be a good time to reaquaint ourselves with the Dialectizer: Alice's post is a fascinating example of "Midwestern Honky Talk"; a derivative, Wisconsin-cheese-and-cracker-eating dialect of real Jive (http://rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dialect=jive&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patriotsplanet.com%2FBB%2Fsho wthread.php%3Fs%3D%26postid%3D27022%23post27022), often intended to "smackdown" one's opponent.

The chair now recognizes the distinguished gentlemen from the great state of Massachusetts: How do you respond to these spurious accusations Mr. Hawg73?

[pookie]

Here's a different perspective. Isn't if funny that a piece like this would come from a Boston Globe writer?

Annika selling herself short (http://www.msnbc.com/news/917241.asp?0cv=CB20)

[pookie]

Originally posted by FallingAlice
She ain't "Throwin' like a girl."

How Annika does is far more interesting that who actually wins this thing. In that sense, the league promoters have been really smart. Tiger, as the sole "Big Story" of the PGA has really gotten old. The PGA and the LPGA both needed this shot in the arm.

I wouldn't be surprised to see her at another PGA event. Even if she doesn't make the cut.

I agree Alice.... she looks good out there. And her golf game aint half bad either... kidding. But you are right, this has added a lot of excitement to what is usually a "B" class tournament. You should hear the talk around Dallas. EVERYBODY is talking about it. Local shock jocks who know nothing about golf are talking about it.

They interviewed the 2 guys that she played w/ yesterday (Thur). They were absolutely, genuinely impressed with her play and there is no doubt that they view her as a player and a potential contender. The more I watch her out there, the more it seems like she belongs...

Maybe next time she could bring some hot Swedish friends, though to sell ale in the galleries! ;)

Originally posted by pookie
Maybe next time she could bring some hot Swedish friends, though to sell ale in the galleries! ;)


I think you might have something here Pookie. Does the Swedish bikini team play golf? Now that we've got the touchy-feely stuff out of the way, and even had Hawg showing his feminist roots, lets bring the sexism back to the PGA!

Originally posted by FallingAlice
Jim McCabe
...the story all along should have focused upon that ingredient in golf that truly separates the PGA Tour from the LPGA Tour — the men know how to capitalize on opportunities, they know how to score, they know how to putt, and they know the golden rule is to get it to the hole.

Umm...well yes, Jim, many sociobiologists would agree that men have this natural understanding of the need to get it to the hole. Whereas this same behavior is not generally demonstrated by nor encouraged in women.

;)

ROFL

You are right Alice, we do need to encourage more of this type of behavior among women. Our lives would be so much richer if only women would focus on the short game. Putting -- that's what it is all about! Thanks Alice. ;)

[Hawg73]

I just got back from sitting around the clubhouse today sipping Apple Martinis and watching Annika walk up 18 to a heroines welcome with my good friend Martha Burke and we both just broke down and had a good cry, but they were happy tears.

In between her shots we had been trying to decide if Steel Magnolias was a better flick than The Ya-Ya Sisterhood and chatting about some home makeover tips that I had seen on HGTV and we were having such a great time that it made me think of a song that I used to like back in the dark ages of the 70's.

I can't believe how much I have progressed from those days.



Get Your Biscuits in the Oven and Your Buns in the Bed
by Kinky Friedman

You uppity women I don’t understand
Why you gotta go and try to act like a man,
But before you make your weekly visit to the shrink
You’d better occupy the kitchen, liberate the sink.

Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed
That’s what I to my baby said,
Women’s liberation is a-going to your head,
Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed.

Early every morning you’re out on the street
Passing out pamphlets to everyone you meet.
You gave up your Maiden Form for Lent
And now the front of your dress has an air scoop vent.

Every single brakeman that’s ever come along
Had a little woman always tellin’ him that he’s wrong.
Eve said to Adam, “Here’s an apple you hoss”
And Delilah defoliated Samson’s moss.

Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed
That’s what I to my baby said,
Women’s liberation is a-going to your head,
Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed.

Mean-hearted harpies are breaking all the laws
Tearing up their girdles and a-burning up their bras,
Now the air is dirty and the sex is clean
And your coffee makes my hair turn green.

So damn emancipated in your mind and your body,
Gonna have to cancel all your lessons in karate.
If you can’t love a male chauvinist
You’d better cross me off your shopping list.

Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed
That’s what I to my baby said,
Women’s liberation is a-going to your head,
Get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in the bed.

Originally posted by Hawg73
I can't believe how much I have progressed from those days.

"You uppity women I don’t understand
Why you gotta go and try to act like a man,
But before you make your weekly visit to the shrink
You’d better occupy the kitchen, liberate the sink."
And while you're at it, the laundry isn't exactly washing itself. :D


Indeed Hawg, like that empowering cigarette ad says: "You've come a long way baby!" :thumb:

Kinky Friedman...and to think that I managed to go my entire life without coming across this guy; or I did and I don't remember, I can't remember which it is. He certainly has written some gems:



"In six days the Lord created the heavens and the earth and all the wonders therein. There are some of us who feel that He might have taken just a little more time."

"But if you're paranoid long enough, sooner or later you're gonna be right."

"They say that death is just nature's way of telling you to slow down a little bit."

"I'd often felt that a man without a woman was like a neck without a pain."

"I'm not afraid to die," I said. "I'm not afraid to live. I'm not afraid to fail. I'm not afraid to succeed. I'm not afraid to fall in love. I'm not afraid to be alone. I'm just afraid I might have to stop talking about myself for five minutes."

"The guy standing on the tiny stage never missed a chance to take a simple idea and intellectualize it until it disappeared completely."

"If you are firmly enough rooted in your masculinity, it shouldn't bother you much to have a woman on top of you. It's a good deal more relaxing, it's often more satisfying for both parties, and you can see a lot more of what's going on."

I think I might have to pick up a copy of Greenwich Killing Time, I love the title.

[Hawg73]

I can vouch that his music is timeless and great.

The Kinkster is a very clever and funny dude. Never heard of him? He is worth checking out.

I tried reading one of his books titled Elvis, Jesus and Coca-cola but it wasn't all that great.

Pick up the greatest hits of Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys and you won't be sorry. In particular I like They ain't making Jews like Jesus anymore.