Weis IS the problem...

[NEM]

without a doubt.

What worked last year really didnt work, if you are honest with your thoughts. Just try to remember how many games were won when the special teams, and opportunistic defense, bailed out our offensive coordinators ass. And then, in the post season, more of the same, only three offensive TD's in three games.

So, Weis then comes back this year, with more weapons, not great, but BETTER receivers, BETTER tight ends, and a line with a year more of experience.

But, what happens is that the opposing coaches are smarter than Weis, they figure out how to stop our offense, and with no help from defenive opportunities and special teams, Weis is caught flat footed and hasnt got the football intelligence (at least at the NFL level) to make the necessary changes and adjustments.

These changes did NOT have to be major, just something to offset what defenses are doing and to make THEM come up with additional changes...and Weis has not done this ALL season long, just as he didnt last year, but got bailed out.

He has been exposed for the weak coordinator on offense that he is. Parcells saw it, I saw it and now many of you are seeing it.

We have got to get rid of this crud.

[mikiemo83]

Originally posted by NEM

We have got to get rid of this crud.

Found this old post and thought it was funny how we once saw ol' charlie. I too was a doubter back then, I admit it, but I think I'm going to miss him a little this year

[mgoblue101415]

Originally posted by mikiemo83
Found this old post and thought it was funny how we once saw ol' charlie. I too was a doubter back then, I admit it, but I think I'm going to miss him a little this year


I have to say that I'm glad he's gone. Yes he did some good things, but there were WAAAYYYYY to many instances of him throwing in one of his stupid "trick" plays at the wrong time.

And I still haven't forgiven him for that 4th and 3 at the end of the Washington game in 03. The pass to Graham when Centers was friggin wide open!!!!!!!!! Now, I don't know if that was Charlie's call or Brady's but I like to put the blame on Charlie. It was his friggin play afterall. If Brady throws to Centers, they get the 1st down, maybe the TD.... Maybe get Adam out there to at least tie up the game and send it into OT. But nope, bad play, Skins get the ball back and take a friggin knee. :shake:

[mikiemo83]

I will miss those same trick plays, think of the David Patten game of his life against the colts, as with all trick plays you tend to remember the failed more than the successful.

I disagree with the Washington game, THAT play may be one the Tom remembers and learned from. same as the Miami pass from his butt, doubt we will see that again.

also he may be Tom's binky, that is to be seen. Charlie did a great job talking to and teaching him. How will that be missed?

[Hawg73]

I think Weis got better in his time here and that is reflected in both numbers and Super Bowl wins.

I can understand criticism, and Weis deserved it at times, but over the last two seasons he made the right call at the right time way more often than not.

The thing I give him the most credit for is adapting his schemes to fit the personnel. Back in '01 he didn't overburden Brady with a vertical passing game when doing so might have burnt the kid out before he really got rolling. He cooked up a controlled offense based on WR screens -- something I have never seen used to that extent and damned if it didn't work.

Since then he has slowly and gradually changed both the passing game to be more vertical in nature and the running game to take advantage of Dillon's talents. The 04' offense didn't even resemble the '01 because Weis had the chops to adapt-- something a lot of other guys probably couldn't.

He was very difficult to game plan for because he did a good job of varying the attack constantly.

I have to say that while I don't really have an axe to grind with NEM-- one of the small pleasures in the success of the team is that we didn't have to listen to him beat Charlie up as often as he used to. That got old.

Weis did very, very well here. We won three bowls with him and nobody knows if we can continue that kind of success without him yet.

I hope to hell he does a great job and his experience at Notre Dame is everything he hopes it could be.

I also hope our '05 offense makes him look like a hack, but I'll believe that when I see it.

[Undertaker #59]

I never thought Weis was that much of a problem. These rants from NEM were almost classic, but personally I got tired of them after awhile.

I used to read NEM calling Zampese a CANCER and all kinds of stuff way back on the Rivals board. I more or less agreed with him then, but when he started to say the same things about Weis, who called a COMPLETELY different offense than Zampese, it got real old for me.

Like many, I thought Weis designed a great offense, but once in awhile some of his calls were questionable. You are going to get that with ANY offensive coordinator.

I am happy that the same system will still be in place this year, and Belichick (most likely) will do just fine calling the plays.

[mikiemo83]

Originally posted by Hawg73

I don't really have an axe to grind with NEM--


That is not the reason I brought this back, I thought with all the drewpy stuff and how I personally beat the snot out of players that "leave us" I would try showing my respect to the man and kind of thank him for tutoring "the kid" into a great quarterback

[mgoblue101415]

Originally posted by mikiemo83
also he may be Tom's binky, that is to be seen. Charlie did a great job talking to and teaching him. How will that be missed?

This goes along with giving Weis the credit for "creating" Brady.

I can post at least 5 game reports from Brady's Michigan days that are almost identical to any Patriots game report.

Brady making the big plays at the end of the game.

Brady staying cool under pressure.

Brady reading the defense to a tee.

Brady buying time in the pocket.

That is Brady. It was Brady before he'd ever stepped foot in Foxborough.

Yes, of course players are going to get better with time and it helps to have good people around to help them. But Brady's fundementals.. The things that Patriots fans as well as all the "experts" out there praise time and time again.. Brady brought those with him to the Patriots. No one taught those to him.

Sorry, it just annoys the hell out of me when I hear Weis getting the credit for "making" Tom Brady. And anyone who has followed him since his college days knows that those comments are utter bullshiat.


And I think it's GREAT that he's at ND. :D That's one more sure win for the Wolverines. Brady Quinn is not Tom Brady and if Weis stays with a similiar "gameplan" at ND as he had in NE.... There's no way Quinn grasps that. :LOL:

Welcome to ND Charlie. :toast: I for one, am glad you came. :cute:

[Amnorix]

Originally posted by mikiemo83
Found this old post and thought it was funny how we once saw ol' charlie. I too was a doubter back then, I admit it, but I think I'm going to miss him a little this year

I can honestly say I always supported Weis and always thought NEM was a fuqtard.

Weis always had limited talent to work with on offense (look at the starting O for the '01 season that won a Super Bowl and you too will be amazed that we won it all), and Weis managed to make it work.

Last year we had some real talent on offense (though not as much as some teams, of course) and we were 5th in the NFL in scoring.

[Amnorix]

Originally posted by mgoblue101415
I have to say that I'm glad he's gone. Yes he did some good things, but there were WAAAYYYYY to many instances of him throwing in one of his stupid "trick" plays at the wrong time.

And I still haven't forgiven him for that 4th and 3 at the end of the Washington game in 03. The pass to Graham when Centers was friggin wide open!!!!!!!!! Now, I don't know if that was Charlie's call or Brady's but I like to put the blame on Charlie. It was his friggin play afterall. If Brady throws to Centers, they get the 1st down, maybe the TD.... Maybe get Adam out there to at least tie up the game and send it into OT. But nope, bad play, Skins get the ball back and take a friggin knee. :shake:

Just curious -- how did you feel about that end around in teh Pittsburgh playoff game where Deion Branch scored the game-sealing Touchdown?

How did you feel about hanging 41 on the NFL's best defense that day?

How did you like being 5th in scoring offense in the NFL with Tom Brady, Corey Dillon, and a bunch of guys who didn't even come close to being in the Pro Bowl?

Just curious...

[mgoblue101415]

Originally posted by Amnorix
Just curious -- how did you feel about that end around in teh Pittsburgh playoff game where Deion Branch scored the game-sealing Touchdown?

How did you feel about hanging 41 on the NFL's best defense that day?

How did you like being 5th in scoring offense in the NFL with Tom Brady, Corey Dillon, and a bunch of guys who didn't even come close to being in the Pro Bowl?

Just curious...


I didn't say that ALL his playcalling was bad, or even that ALL his "trick" plays were bad, I said that there were way too many instances when he used the "trick" plays at the wrong time.

I'm sorry, but even the Weis' biggest fan can't deny that.

IMO, and the opinons of several others, it seemed at times that Weis threw in that crap trying to show the league what he could do. He was always "auditioning" for a HC gig. And a lot of times it backfired on him. Or even if the play did work out, it still wasn't necessarily the best call. Someone might decide to try to beat the train, and pull it off, that still doesn't make it a good idea to begin with.

People are entitled to their opinions. Several around here like Weis, some don't. Neither opinion is wrong.... They're all opinions. And, IMO, I'm glad he's gone. :shrug:

[Ballbustah]

Seems to me they did pretty good under Charlie.

[B A Rabbit]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Seems to me they did pretty good under Charlie.

Yeah, He helped the Pat's win two more superbowls since NEM wrote that.

[mgoblue101415]

Originally posted by Ballbustah
Seems to me they did pretty good under Charlie.


And the Broncos have done pretty well under Kubiak (2 SB wins, 2 times the #1 offense) but I wouldn't want him as an OC either. :shrug:

[dchester]

I think I've been pretty consistant about my feeling for Charlie Weis. When his trick plays worked, he was a genius, but when they failed, he was an idiot.

I don't think I've varied from that opinion.
:)
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[NEM]

I really dont want to drag up old stuff, but for the most part, Charlie Weis was in the right place, at the right time, and was the weakest link on a team that performed brilliantly for three out of four seasons.

It appears that the rest of the NFL saw the same thing that I did, as not one team offered him a head coaching job.

Charlie did some good things, and as I said many times, he was a great designer of plays, a good instructor with younger players...but overall his play calling, game planning, left a lot to be desired, and if he had not been bailed out by the defense, and special teams, many many times, two of the Super Bowl appearances would never have happened.

He was way too slow to adjust and make the necessary changes, and in an awful lot of games just dddnt have the ability to come back from apparent defeat, but the defense and the special teams did it for him.

A nice guy, and I wish him the best....and he certainly was, as I said in the right situation at the right time, and it worked out good for him getting the ND job, a college job where he is much more suited....and apparently all of the 31 other NFL GM's, owners, etc, saw the same thing and did NOT hire him to be a head coach.

[Joker]

Hey, the old Rivals board??? I was a moderator there. Remember the old NE Pats .com? I loved that board. Pats.com sued to have them taken down. Azzoles.

NEM is like the Old Man of the Mountain when it comes to Pats boards

[Mark_Henderson]

Originally posted by dchester
I think I've been pretty consistant about my feeling for Charlie Weis. When his trick plays worked, he was a genius, but when they failed, he was an idiot.

I don't think I've varied from that opinion.
:)

I kept waiting to see that play where Brady caught the ball on the left sideline again, but it didn't happen. Probably wise not to put the franchise player in that position, but it was a fun play.

[kirjtc2]

Charlie did try that play again, I think in one of the Bills games in 2002. Tom actually got a TD, but it was called back on a penalty.

JPK

[Undertaker #59]

Originally posted by Joker
Hey, the old Rivals board??? I was a moderator there. Remember the old NE Pats .com? I loved that board. Pats.com sued to have them taken down. Azzoles.

NEM is like the Old Man of the Mountain when it comes to Pats boards

Yeah, that was a pretty good board. I was a full lurker then both there and on Mouth Off.

[JohnAdams]

Wow... I was searching for something unrelated to this, but was somewhat stunned when I saw it.

How pervasive was this sentiment and what are the feelings now? :banghead:

Keep your chins up you Patsies. We've got a game to play in November! :p

[PatsWin2002]

Originally posted by JohnAdams
Wow... I was searching for something unrelated to this, but was somewhat stunned when I saw it.

How pervasive was this sentiment and what are the feelings now? :banghead:

Keep your chins up you Patsies. We've got a game to play in November! :p

Ah.... "The Bobs" would like to have a meeting with you now. :D

[Alcoholic9*]

Originally posted by NEM
without a doubt.

What worked last year really didnt work, if you are honest with your thoughts. Just try to remember how many games were won when the special teams, and opportunistic defense, bailed out our offensive coordinators ass. And then, in the post season, more of the same, only three offensive TD's in three games.

So, Weis then comes back this year, with more weapons, not great, but BETTER receivers, BETTER tight ends, and a line with a year more of experience.

But, what happens is that the opposing coaches are smarter than Weis, they figure out how to stop our offense, and with no help from defenive opportunities and special teams, Weis is caught flat footed and hasnt got the football intelligence (at least at the NFL level) to make the necessary changes and adjustments.

These changes did NOT have to be major, just something to offset what defenses are doing and to make THEM come up with additional changes...and Weis has not done this ALL season long, just as he didnt last year, but got bailed out.

He has been exposed for the weak coordinator on offense that he is. Parcells saw it, I saw it and now many of you are seeing it.

We have got to get rid of this crud.

Damn...

And I thought it was Bush

[NEM]

The post referred to in this thread is THREE YEARS old.